What does the content of you e-reader say about you? My current manshape is a magician and he hates Derren with a passion and I watched Derren's magic show a few weeks ago with my man muttering and insulting Derren and also explaining how everything was done and how he could of done it so much better the entire way through. Then when the video of what happened played at the end of the show, it was a good 10-15 secs long, giving Derren the time to make the other guy put the card in the box, wave his hand in front of the lady who was the 'box watcher' and do a little dance in front of the camera. As part of a whopping 155-venue world tour, SHOWMAN will be performing seven shows a week between December 2022 and March 2023. Same for person 2. It wasn't untill I talked to my partner I clicked on to what I think has happened. I saw him come back down. But a good demonstration of why you shouldn't be taken in by Mystics and Mediums. I was the box watcher in Belfast. 1st trick, he reaches over the desk. Just from knowing a little more about what happens to the person on stage. Derren walks over to the flip chart once after all the numbers are up on the board and pockets it.As its folded up so small it is easy to palm and conceal. Then, end of act 1, big black-out temporarily, curtain comes down. As those 3 people leave the stage, DB says "please will you 3 wait at the bottom of the stairs, we just need to check you are all OK following the hypnosis". This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. We never see footage of that. It didn't work on him. Actually, he most certainly does not. - no. On the left hand side we have DB and the card person, on the right we have the watcher. When I got to the stage and took the bank note out of the envelope, Derren. His Majesty's Theatre British illusionist wows audience with his most personal show to date. The usher takes them back stage. Subscribe For More Derren Brown: https://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialDerrenDerren Brown is a British mentalist, illusionist and author. - don't know. I always love the tv specials he does but Ive never seen him live! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Not once did he make anyone feel uncomfortable or embarrassed, and in an age where we all seem to revel in that sort of behaviour, it was a joy to watch. Whilst all of that is happening, the second person on stage, the "watcher" is standing very still and is staring at the box. The live footage then displays where he has his sleeves down, and then moments after the footage goes off, he's back on stage with his sleeves up. In my show lots of people put their hands up saying they saw it? I heard 1, 2, the lights went off and then I clearly heard someone running and saw someone dart across the stage in the blackness, took no more than a few seconds, then went to 5. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Which in reality is true, accepting that every performance is different. Another small but important point, DB actually re-positioned her and made a point to ask her to just move a small fraction to the left and guided her into a slightly new position. At this point DB says sorry it needs to be someone who wasn't up on stage earlier on, and instructs her to throw the Frisbee to someone else. So it couldnt have been recorded then, Nobody saw what allegedly happened. This makes sense to me. Did you go on stage during the interval at all? Its important that the camera is in exactly the same position here, and that the watcher is stood in the right position, hence why DB had to move her ever so slightly last night. The hypnotised dude would have been given a pen that wouldn't mark the board. Where did you write it and where did it go? The content of SHOWMAN remains a closely guarded secret, but if youve seen him before, you know youre in for a powerhouse treat! I would love to tell you about the opening for example, but it would be wrong of me to do so I can say it is one of the most effective openings to a show I have ever seen. Showman is the much-anticipated live show tour by British performer, Derren Brown, now touring the UK until 2022. Derren Brown is an award-winning illusionist, magician and mentalist. They are stood out of sight of most of the audience, at the bottom of the stairs, next to a stage door. These are the obvious tricks. Derren has created a new show that does not feel like any of his previous shows (based upon what we have seen on DVD). I can't remember how much of the actual architecture is in the shot to begin with but if he just needs a large black floor and his table then it could work. And that it isn't difficult to get information about people once you have their name, address, credit card details and whatnot. I know it sounds really complicated and techy, but standing about a foot above the glass looking directly downwards, an awkwardly prolonged rattling of the dice is exactly what I witnessed. It does make the most sense but its still a major trick to pull off by moving all that stuff around in such a short amount of time. The set may be relatively minimal, and the lighting dim at times, but what is projected from it is truly awesome. The new person was there and the box was swinging in the video, which gave it the credibility to suggest it happened when we saw it, but my thoughts are that it was two separate videos filmed at two different times then edited. Act 2 begins. At least half an hour passes between when DB finishes that part of the show, until when we see the final video at the very end. I was hypnotised and cannot remember. DB then hypnotises her/him in exactly the same was as we see in act 2. I was at the show last night (Thursday) too and was also very confused but when 50% of people put their hand up the first time I had actually put my hand up out of confusion because it wasnt quite clear what he had asked I thought he asked who saw the lights flash, nobody actually saw what happened the video at the end must have been pre recorded during the interval like a few people have suggested, its a brilliant trick and very well executed. So that leads us to only one conclusion, we have all missed/forgot 20 seconds of the show. by Stephi Wild Jul. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. DB requires the same person (from the forgotten number 7 game) back on stage. But such is the talent of Brown that even I was baffled at times by what I had witnessed. My theory: because it happened at a completely different time to when we are led to believe it happened. My theory: because 1 of these 3 people (the playing card person) was still needed by DB. Audience participation is encouraged from the off, and there are a surprising number of people keen to be publicly manipulated in the name of entertainment. Nobody has seen this, probably only a very small number of the audience will have actually remembered they were still there. I was sat on the far side of the show and it was the exit that the 4 people came out of during the interval. I think they then spliced the two videos together during the period between the trick and the video reveal. I've seen a woman - totally convinced of her own genuineness - do a similar thing on herself! Imagine what would happen if anyone could get on stage during the interval. After moving his family into his childhood home, a man's investigation into a local factory accident connected to his father unveils dark family secrets. Location London. Would love to hear your theory about how the final peice was done. . I laughed along to the person the first and second time, but the 3rd time he got about 70% of the audience, me included. I'm guessing none of this was half as obvious on the big screen.Serial number trick:I can 100% confirm that the bank note I brought on stage was the bank note that we used. Its best just to go with the flow and enjoy a master at work. Incidentally, that isnt a spoiler but a genuine part of the experience we should all take away, whether you get to see this tour or not. It is DERREN BROWN SHOWMAN, but actually you can add into that mix and the AUDIENCE. Then just some classic Derren sleight of hand to switch out the card in the swinging box with the signed card as the watcher was not permited to remove the card from the box her/himself. It wasn't filmed in the interval though. We dont know whats going to happen, how events are likely to unfold, and whether Derren will be feeling it on the night youre there. What happened with the card that you wrote on? There are flashes of red light and a partial blackout, I would estimate for between 3 and 5 seconds, no more. Honestly felt like everything I knew in life was shattered. You really could sit there all night and listen to him. A jaw-dropping, mind-boggling experience. Secondly, she couldn't remember her own name, and she was called up to the bottom of the steps along with 10 other people. We of course do, and when its over, we are are left with a collective bond, like we have all shared something only the 1500 of us in the theatre can ever experience. To us the signatures will look the same. I've read about the table which can effect the dice roll but what about the coin tosses ? W. 3rd trick, he walks over and puts it in the suspended box. They're waiting, watching the amazing chair trick to end act 1. People are talking, getting up to go to the bar/toilet. Think about when the person who puts the card in the box is selected from the audience, compared to when that trick actually takes place, and why Derren had to set it up like that. Honestly the most confusing experience of my entire life. But actually, thats when they stood on the chair to put it in the swinging box which was lowered and then raised again before the lights came back up. The playing card (now signed) has moved from the card box to the wooden box on the stand. Went to see it in Birmingham in October. KindEnvironment5098 5 mo. So now they have two pieces of footage. At the time I just assumed so they could move the chair and person and put them back at the end of the interval. Excellent show would recommend everyone sees it! Privacy Policy. Saw you still sitting in your chair at the end and you looked pretty perplexed! swear I heard some kind of electronic buzzing as it was rattling in the glass. They wouldn't have felt it or remembered it when they came round. As for the original signed card, DB probably took this out of the card box during the blackout when the person was sat there under hypnosis. They're waiting, watching the amazing chair trick to end act 1. Does legacy TV programme footage deteriorate over time. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Yes, its expensive. Ok so only problem is, the trick didn't work on my Dad. I've worked out how about 3/4 of the tricks are done (i think!). Since his television debut with Derren Brown: Mind Control in 2000 hes produced multiple series and specials, winning two Laurence Olivier Awards. This didnt happen. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 5 seconds later, lights back on, audience amazed by what they've just seen. As to how the numbers are guessed Im not sure, Hi! The UK Tour continues until October 2022 For full dates and ticket purchases, check out Derren Brown: Showman. It was very confusing but extremely well done , When Derren asked our audience how many people saw her put the card in the box (when it was hanging from the ceiling), I looked around and couldnt see any hands up but he said quite a few hands were up. Each and everyone of us cheered and applauded at every appropriate moment of this story he took us on. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. envelope on stage, there was nothing else in there (so forget dividers/flaps/duplicate notes or anything like that). At this point in the show, the participant is blindfolded. But Brown is certainly not there to humiliate volunteers into clucking like a chicken or revealing their deepest, darkest desires. In this brand new podcast series, Derren Brown explores the many worries and pressures we all experience in modern life and how we can find meaningful ways to manage them better. Yes, I've been to see it - it was fantastic - but why would you do something like this when one of the first things Derren asks at the beginning of the show is specifically not to talk about it, because it ruins the experience for other people? What applied then, still applies now how the hell he does what he does, I have no idea, other than to say the skill and intensity of what he does both with, and to an audience is incredible. Yeah my guess is. But some of the things aren't fake in the way of being straight up lies. Third time round when he put the box up a good ten foot high and counted up, all the lot of us heard was "1.. 2.. 5.". The video was pre-recorded during the intermission, behind the heavy curtain. Secondly, and this is what is so exciting about seeing him live, every performance is different. Please see this post I did a while ago for a detailed explanation. 02922-362359 Loving all these explanations - the weirdest bit for me is that me and my friend had slightly different experiences. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. But actually, it can be equally challenging for us in the audience too. Following SHOWMAN's world premiere last autumn which wowed audiences up and down the country, Derren Brown is back on stage with his biggest ever live tour! In our show tonight he "didn't press hard enough" too and had a light "5" on there. In this brand new podcast series, Derren Brown explores the many pressures and worries we experience in modern life and how we can find meaningful ways to manage them better. So, in a world where we are all trying to catch up with the time weve lost, grab hold of those we have missed, and re-evaluate what is really important to us, Derren doesnt just perform some amazing how the hell does he do that moments. Person number 1 (not our playing card person) is then checked very quickly by DB - all fine - and is then escorted back to the theatre by an usher. Showman is a 10 out of 10 knock out. Derren Brown is an award-winning illusionist, magician and mentalist. Thanks! Of course, the mind-boggling illusions remain a secret. Very strange this, why didn't they just return to their seats? But I'm stoked to hear how exciting you found it being on stage. Fun show last night (Night of Wonders) - for me its fun to work out how the tricks are done, though you should just let it lie and enjoy the show. Totally brilliant, mind completely blown. He then does a dance next to the hanging box, and the woman returns to her seat. He is a naturally engaging performer than the audience are willing to interact and empathise with. Of course, because he hasn't memorised all the books. He then takes her back stage, brings her out of hypnosis, and says yeah you're fine too and an usher escorts her back to the theatre. He is all of those things, but actually so much more. The cameraman gets a good look at this, we can all see it. Then, end of act 1, big black-out temporarily, curtain comes down. What a shitty thread. Would love to hear your theory and any others, please inbox me as I am completely baffled by the finale and I need some form of answer to this confusion!! Being up on stage, I noticed that the back of the chair that the hypnotised guy was sitting on was hella thick, so I am pretty convinced that a stagehand was indicating to the hypnotised guy how the coin landed through pulses in the back of the chair. Its definitely one of those shows where you need to start a WhatsApp group with fellow audience members so you can share all your how on earth did he do that? messages. He then chooses a second person (who's hands also stuck earlier) with the Frisbee. Again, this is completely spoiler free. He then moves onto the chair balancing trick, while the other 3 are waiting with an usher at the bottom of the stairs. Before he was known at all, I saw him perform close-up magic to a handful of people, me being one of them. 1. The box wasnt suspended for the first trick. The card didnt get used in the show I saw. I was sat in the stalls by the stage left exit a few nights ago. I went last night. A look back at Derren Brown's most inexplicable tricks and stunts. He then lines them up, and there is a funny segment where they can't remember the number 7. To find a way to better connect with family and friends, and indeed with ourselves. I hope the bit you're referring to doesn't get cut out by the time I go. Which basically means that he plays tricks of the mind and manipulates the audience into seeing and thinking what he wants them to see and think. He is a storyteller who can keep 1200 people hanging onto what he says and does. I had to hide my giggles as this was clearly a deep seated hatred requiring years of therapy and I, as a mere mortal was not willing to go there. Maybe I should go again and secretly film when I get backstage. At the time, I couldn't think of a legitimate reason why it would have been there. Im a sceptic, always looking for those moments of distraction or sleight-of-hand. Derren Brown asks questions about the world, and his intelligent curiosity benefits us all. Elizabeth Day, Derren Brown gets into your brain and reveals how to make it work better. Be sure to subscribe and catch all the amazing moments of magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection \u0026 showmanship! Originally scheduled pre-pandemic, COVID has clearly had a significant influence on the show that is now being performed across the country. He places the box on a stand which requires someone to stand on a chair to get to. Youll thank us for that. 20 Questions The giveaway with 20 Questions was that the 6 people had to write down the answers on a bit of paper at the back of the stage. Do women just always think about dying their hair? If you put the two cards next to each other there will be small discrepancies, but that's irrelevant. I saw your show in Hull too! Did he guess your correctly and was specific? If you dont have a ticket, its unlikely youll get there as, at this point, there isnt one single seat left for the rest of the week. The second curtain is the fire curtain. I think this is probably right but he's doing what, over 200 shows on this tour? And the Showman left many guests at the Alex Theatre's Press Night scratching their heads in awe and wonder. Is there anybody who heard the full countdown? I also noticed that on my finally throw, it seemed to roll around in the glass a LOT longer than the previous times I had rolled it. He has NEVER used the same person for two different parts of the show like that before, probably because it would lead the audience to believe it was a plant/stooge. His ease on stage is second to none, and the way he reacts with the audience and volunteers is masterful. I've inboxed you what me and my partner think, as I don't want to spoil anything for people that may not of seen it. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He saw the whole thing, Derren getting the chair, the guy standing on it, putting card in etc etc. For me, a Derren Brown event is as much about the audience as it is him, and the 1500 people packed into the New Theatre were a crucial part of this live spectacular. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. 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By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. One of DB's team comes on and quickly puts the card in the box, or they have an exact replica pre-prepared box back stage with the duplicate signed card in it, and the switch is made. Showman is, at its heart, a show about how the. His experience of the last couple of years has been parallel to all of us, and it was this shared bond which held the theme of the show. I'm talking about the big reveal right at the very end! For almost 20 years I have been a huge fan of Derren | 10 comments on LinkedIn In the card trick, all I heard was 1-2-5. You're almost right. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I say challenging, and I am of course referring to Derren himself. And the Showman left many guests at the Alex Theatres Press Night scratching their heads in awe and wonder. Imagine what would happen if anyone could get on stage during the interval. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. There's a coup in the closing moments so mindblowing, so laser-guided, to undermine the hold-out scepticism of an unbeliever like me, that I ended up feeling he had surpassed even himself. But then I believe that all they actually did during the missing 15 seconds was knock the box so that it would swing, I think the camera angle did two things to firstly, as you mentioned, block the audience so you couldnt see whether the curtain was up or down, but also secondly to ensure that the person watching the box and the person putting the card in the box dont overlap. So now DB's team has footage of him walking with the lady, her putting the card in the box, and her walking back to her seat. The usher held the envelope open for me as I inserted it, and when I opened the envelope on stage, there was nothing else in there (so forget dividers/flaps/duplicate notes or anything like that). He most definitely didnt film it with me during the intermission. The "box watcher" wasnt there, but he knew exactly where they would be standing, so he could act as though there was a person there to wave at etc, then its an easy edit job to splice her/him in. I was sitting in row 3 and could see everything during the two blackouts. And if youd like to read our interview with Derren, and take a look back at some of his highlights, go to our special feature HERE. Derren has well and truly earned himself a fan. Main photo: Mark Douet. Like the rest of the world - the tour had been rescheduled multiple times due to the pandemic. 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